Hey! Let's Ask Shannon DeVido and Aubrie Williams - S02E10

On this episode, Kristin and Ralph talk about social media, popularity, privilege and how their effect has been magnified by the pandemic with guests Aubrie Williams and Shannon Devido. 

Aubrie is a Philadelphia-based comedian/writer/actor who loves pizza, Dolly Parton, and nostalgia and along with Shannon is one half of King Friday Productions. You can find her writing on Medium, McSweeney's, Slackjaw, and the comedy & country music blog Parton & Pearl!

Shannon DeVido is a BAFTA Breakthrough actress and ViacomCBS Showcase 2021 participant. Shannon is best known for her roles in Difficult People (Hulu), Insatiable (Netflix), Bridesman (Grindr), Delco Proper (Comedy Central), and Manifest (NBC), as well as appearances on The Nightly Show with Larry Wilmore and Sesame Street. Shannon starred in the world premieres of Michael Lew’s dark comedy Teenage Dick at the Public Theater and Samuel D. Hunter’s The Healing. Shannon has also acquired a dedicated following on her disability-focused comedy YouTube channel Stare at Shannon. She leads the cast of the full-length independent feature film Best Summer Ever, an award-winning musical comedy. Shannon has penned the award winning short films The Siblings Liebencrantz and Musical Chairs. 

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Transcript

The Hey Let Me Ask You Something Podcast
Season 02
Episode 10
Hey! Let's Ask Shannon Devido and Aubrie Williams

[MUSIC INTRO PLAYS] - 00:00

Intro Voiceover - 00:08
You’ve found the only podcast that’s just 5 million more followers away from being a real Instagram influencer…Hey Let Me Ask You Something. On this episode, Kristin and Ralph talk about social media, popularity, privilege and how their effect has been magnified by the pandemic with guests Aubrie Williams and Shannon Devido. 

Aubrie is a Philadelphia-based comedian/writer/actor who loves pizza, Dolly Parton, and nostalgia and along with Shannon is one half of King Friday Productions. You can find her writing on Medium, McSweeney's, Slackjaw, and the comedy & country music blog Parton & Pearl!

Shannon is an actor, writer, comedian with a wicked sense of humor who has been in multiple tv shows such as Manifest, Difficult People, Insatiable, and the feature film Best Summer Ever. She is also one half of King Friday Productions with Aubrie.

Don’t forget to rate our show and give us a follow, a like, or subscribe! We love what we do and want to inspire MORE people to ask MORE questions and have MORE interesting conversations. And check out our YouTube channel to see us in action and hear stuff that didn’t make the cut for the podcast. 

And as always the views expressed on the Hey Let Me Ask You Something Podcast are solely the opinions of your hosts Kristin Wood and Ralph Andracchio and are based on their years of practical and clinical experience. These opinions do not constitute any kind of advice, diagnosis, or treatment of any mental, physical, or emotional issues. If you are having an emergency or any serious ongoing situations please contact your local hospital or a trusted professional. You can find this complete disclaimer on our podcast homepage. And now… on with the show.

Ralph Andracchio - 01:52
Two thumbs up is great. Hi. 

Kristin Wood - 01:53
Hi there. 

Ralph Andracchio - 01:54
Hi. It's been a it's been a week. It's always been one week. It's been one week since I saw you last. Anything special happened this week? Absolutely nothing. You lost your phone.

Kristin Wood - 02:07
The phone situation is what happened and it was not good.

Ralph Andracchio - 02:11
Nutshell it for us. Nutshell it for us. 

Kristin Wood - 02:13  
Nutshell it for you is I left my phone in a Lyft on Sunday and freaked out about it for two days and then broke down and bought a phone for the Lyft driver to finally after numerous requests, decide to say hey, got your phone after I spent two days running around and purchasing a phone I can't afford and now I have to spend another day going back and switching it all over. So I'm highly highly agitated this particular Lyft driver if you are listening. Like it takes two seconds to call back and say got your phone.

Ralph Andracchio - 02:48  
Unnamed Lyft driver if you're listening... 

Kristin Wood - 02:49 
No it was very stressful and time consuming and all - I know it's my fault. I left the phone that's my on me. But like you couldn't make a call I'm so I'm very annoyed.

Ralph Andracchio - 03:00  
Yeah, I can I can understand not getting back to immediately finished your shift to go to bed, whatever. But the next morning...

Kristin Wood - 03:09
The phone was left at 11pm ish on Sunday evening. What you couldn't find a minute really until this afternoon today.

Ralph Andracchio - 03:19  
Do you have find my phone on your... 

Kristin Wood - 03:22  
Tried all of that. Tried everything.  And it was offline. Like I don't know what that means. Not helpful.

Ralph Andracchio - 03:28  
Maybe he has a lead lined car.

Kristin Wood - 03:30 
It was probably dead when I finally did the Find My Phone anywho that's my nutshell...

Ralph Andracchio - 03:39  
No it's very agitating, especially when you have to change SIM cards and numbers and new phones and divide it's yeah, it's...

Ralph Andracchio - 03:45  
I put out money I really didn't have so the silver lining is I can return this phone I can afford. And I'm that much more richer because I literally thought I couldn't go out for the next two years. 

Ralph Andracchio - 03:55
That's the first thing you said to me was I could go out this week I can now maybe go out I can have a martini now. Because that's how expensive drinks are in the in the city. Um, yeah, I know, a very eventful week. Very we're gearing up to get a loan how a home loan to redo our kitchen and our bathroom 

Kristin Wood - 04:16  
Which I- he told me this before - do not understand why it needs to be redone it's so lovely.

Ralph Andracchio - 04:20  
It is thank you very much. It is it is lovely but our pipes freeze in our kitchen and every winter I have to turn the water off to the kitchen because the pipes free because they're really close. So we need the money to move - to put the pipes we'll put in an island we'll put the sink in the island so that way the pipes are nowhere near the outside so it's not gonna freeze. I really I really hate Dan loves our backsplash but I hate it with a passion. We're gonna have a meeting where I'm gonna tell him this is what it's gonna look like. So that Yeah, and he's he's fine with that. I told him he can do the he can do the island. I'll do everything else.

Kristin Wood - 05:07 
Compromise is part of a healthy relationship.

Ralph Andracchi0 - 05:10  
Sure. Yeah, he has this really like he's holding on to this idea that we can have an island and it will still function like a dinner table where everybody can sit around every side of it and we'll all be able to like have this big Thanksgiving dinner and like that's not how islands work. And he's still like a dog with a bone. He's like no, I we can do it. I can do it. And like, if you want to upend 250 years of design history to make a freakin Island go for I don't he's, it's yeah, it's a whole other episode. Anyway, that's been we're we've just submitted the paperwork. So I'll keep everybody posted. On what happens. But that's neither here nor there. Because today we have guests, we have a twofer. Two guests again. Two for the price of one, which is nothing. It's free. Two of my very dear friends from comedy. They are amazing people. I'm so glad that they were both free at the same time because they're both very busy doing stuff and I'm very excited to introduce them. So everybody please give a warm internet silent welcome, because you're just hearing this Aubrie Williams and Shannon Devido. Hi, guys. Thank you so much for being here.

Aubrie Williams - 06:28  
Thank you for having us. 

Shannon Devido - 06:29
Oh, yeah. Thank you so much for having us.

Ralph Andracchio - 06:30  
Absolutely. Where Where did we meet?

Aubrie Williams - 06:36  
We met on a little group called King Friday. Um, Shan and I were the the the replacements.

Shannon Devido - 06:47  
Starring Keanu Reeves.

Aubrie Williams - 06:50  
It was just like that.

Ralph Anracchio - 06:54  
Yeah. Yeah. House team at Philly Improv Theater.

Aubrie Williams - 06:57  
Yeah, we auditioned as kind of additions to an already existing great team. And we were the two that got it. So the rest is history. You know...

Ralph Andracchio - 07:08 
The rest is history. Look at that. So if you would like to, and I would like you to and I know Kristin will like you to please introduce yourselves. Give a little bit about what you're doing where you're coming from. Just so people get an idea of who you are. Shannon why don't you go first.

Shannon Devido - 07:29 
I was like yes. We're gonna go for it now. Oh, my name is Shannon Devido. I come from the town of Holland, Pennsylvania. We don't have clogs.

Ralph Andracchio - 07:43
Well show's over.

Shannon Devido - 07:46  
We have no windmills either. It's it's a sad state of affairs. We do have a lot of Republicans though. Um, anyway, what was the question? Um, so I am. I'm an actor, and comedian and that's kind of what I do my time.

Ralph Andracchio - 08:05  
Where would people have seen you? 

Shannon Devido - 08:08  
So great question. Um, I'm on your TV sometimes. You I show up in random shows every now and then. Um, I was on a show called Difficult People and Insatiable, and played rape victim on SVU because that's a rite of passage for actors.

Ralph Andracchio - 08:35  
My dream is to be a body on SVU

Shannon Devido - 08:37  
I mean, this is pretty close, 

Ralph Andracchio - 08:40  
Washed up in the river.

Shannon Devido - 08:42  
It basically was the same thing. I do. I do think that my favorite thing about that show is that all of you know exactly what the movements that I make. And make fun of the picture of me in the episode. And it's my truly my favorite thing that you guys are on board with making fun of it because it's absolutely insane. Yeah, I don't know. I'm like, I made a bunch of stuff sometimes. Not really, Oh, yeah, it was on manifest this year.

Ralph Andracchio - 09:16  
You were on Manifest. You're being way too modest. 

Kristin Wood - 09:20
There was a list of movies we just looked at

Aubrie Williams - 09:22  
Best Summer Ever.

Kristin Wood - 09:24  
That's the one I'm gonna watch first yup

Ralph Andracchio - 09:26  
Best Summer Ever and you popped up in The Other Two which is like, Dan and I's guilty little pleasure show and I'm like, holy, holy crap that Shannon I forgot. I've always heard try not to curse. I don't want to check the box. There's, I have to click that says explicit content.

Shannon Devido - 09:45  
Oh no not that box

Aubrie Williams - 09:47
There's strength in numbers.

Ralph Andracchio - 09:49  
So I mean, if you do it happens I'll cut it off anyway. Yeah, you're amazing. And I'm so that's why I said I'm so happy you're here because you're in literally everything. And Aubrie as well. Aubrie, tell everybody a little bit about what you're doing too.

Aubrie Williams - 10:01  
Um, I am from a little place called Delco. Made famous from Mare of Easttown for sure. I lived in Philly for like 12 years now. Um, I'm in my basement apartment in South Philly right now. And I'm my full time job as a nanny. I've been with the family for 13 years, which is wild. Yeah. They're adults now like adults. It's crazy.

Shannon Devido - 10:34  
I just like okay, I know that they're not really adults, but I'm like picturing that Aubrie is a nanny for like actual adults. They're like 20 years old and she's like, Okay guys, please eat your vegetables. I can't with this right now.

Kristin Wood - 10:51  
I'd like a glass of wine with my broccoli

Aubrie Williams - 10:56  
I'm like please stop listening to TikTok while I drive you and like also blare the radio. My brain is melting out my ear. 

Ralph Andracchio - 11:06  
You play the ukulele still right.

Aubrie Williams - 11:08  
I do sometimes. Yeah, I I'm self taught. I am not a musician by any means. But I taught myself guitar at 19 and I taught myself ukulele at like 23 and then taught my sister on a family vacation. So yeah, yeah, I rarely play. I'm looking at it right now. But yeah, I once I once I stop nannying and doing comedy in all of my spare time, I will just you know, go to a subway just pull out my instruments and play like subpar below coffee shop level.

Kristin Wood - 11:47  
We will be there supporting you 100%.

Shannon Devido - 11:51  
I'll give you a dollar.

Aubrie Williams - 11:52  
Aw thank you, Shan.

Ralph Andracchio - 11:54  
And your and you are both you both own and run a production company called King Friday productions. 

Aubrie Williams - 12:00  
Yeah, we're like a production team friends. It's an excuse to hang out essentially.

Shannon Devido - 12:07  
It was an excuse for us to hang out and take pictures. I really don't know. Okay, we did a lot if you have it. And we do try to make things. But I'm not sure if you heard but there was a pandemic and we started it at the beginning January right before 2020, January of 2020. And we were like we're gonna do all of these things and then the world said nope. So we should probably have taken that as a sign to be like, really? I don't know. Not ready yet, but not us. We can. And yeah, so we haven't, we haven't been able to make another movie because -

Aubrie Williams - 12:51 
Although we did make two for Easter Seals so like we're kind of like...

Shannon Devido - 12:58  
We made we made them for these like for 48 Hour Film Festivals. We had both from our house, which were insane.

Aubrie Williams - 13:07  
They pretty great. 

Ralph Andracchio - 13:08
They were fun. I like that. Well we'll put all the links in the show notes for everything we talked about so people can see that. Oh, go ahead

Aubrie Williams - 13:16  
Oh, we also did Quiplash to Save America which Ralph was a part of

Shannon Devido - 13:20  
Oh yes we did save America. I thin.

Ralph Andracchio - 13:23
Yeah you all did save America, it was for the Georgia Senate races right?

 Shannon Devido - 13:28
It was for I was for a lot of Democrats running.

Aubrie Williams - 13:32  
Yeah, you were in our like our extra save America after

Shannon Devido - 13:38  
When we tried to go back and save Georgia. We saved America first and then tried to save Georgia. Again. We did both. I'm not sure that these things successful. We did. We did try.

Aubrie Williams - 13:54  
We tried, you know,

Ralph Andracchio - 13:56  
Well, you succeeded, I think in some small way because the two Democratic Senators from Georgia are there so right. But oh, yeah. Agreed. Yeah. They're both great. They're both amazing. Yes. So getting into today's conversation. Did you have anything you wanted to pose to the group? Question wise, let's start there. If there's anything burning a hole in your proverbial pocket that you wanted to lay on us?

Aubrie Williams - 14:38  
I mean, yeah, I don't know how much you guys like touched on pandemic stuff. But I've been like thinking about the cracks that the pandemic showed me personally, like, I don't know if you guys all went through this and like, I live alone too. And I like work as a nanny. So like, I've been kind of by myself. For a lot of this whole pandemic. I'm not not all of it, but like a lot of it but I've noticed like some patterns that I wouldn't have noticed if I weren't in a pandemic like namely, just like I'm not usually one to compare myself to others, but I found myself like scrolling Instagram and like getting jealous of like, things that I didn't want. Like, they weren't my goals, like, and I was just like, why is this - Wait, why am Why do I care? Like I don't have this goal. So I like sat myself down. I was like, Yo, you got to reevaluate. Your life. It's a pandemic like do not do this. So that was my kind of main...

Ralph Andracchio - 15:40
I thank you for asking that. I love that. My my opinion of Instagram and Facebook and Tik Tok everything that I'm a part of - hello social media daddies and mommies. We love you. But they're set up to be like candy for your brain. Like, you scroll. I do too. I scroll through Instagram. And it's like, why don't I look like that? Why don't I dress like that? Why isn't my skin look like that? Why aren't I that tall or that short? I mean, it's like, I want to be five foot seven for some reason. Some days when I'm looking at Instagram is because there's like short hot guys on there. And I'm like, I want to I want to be short and hot so I get it. Of like it's it's this very immediate fix it from social media. I don't know do you...

Kristin Wood - 16:36 
Yeah, I think a lot of it just speaks to way too much time and not enough. Not not busy enough. I don't know if that's saying it right Aubrie but like I think we were so slow down especially those of us that might have needed to slow down but that that was the hardest for those individuals that were going, going, going going going and never stop. Yes, we're here slow down and you have very little distractions and very little to do right then that stuff can become even more powerful of an influence over you. And I one of the things I've talked about that I learned in the pandemic, is, you know, as a therapist, I was always like self care, self care, which of course I'm still self care. Self Care, however, was always like, is that a distraction? Or is that self care? What I've learned is we need distraction. It really just like nail like home for me like I don't I said this wrong term but you know, I mean like it brought it home for me that some distraction 

Ralph Andracchio - 17:34
It nailed it home for you.

Kristin Wood - 17:37
I just tried to combine to sayings. But I think we... I just I think it just really makes sense now now I approached it a little bit different with my clients because it stripped us of all of that so much of that for some people. I think people living at home with a couple kids it'd be there was just too much. But for those living alone, or maybe with one other person. It really was everything was taken from us and what do we do with our time and too much time on your hands and we can do self care all day and night but sometimes we actually need a distraction as well. And unfortunately if that becomes your distraction, I think back in then be back and start you can go down a whole rabbit hole of unhealthy thinking and feel in bringing up feelings that totally Yeah,

Ralph Andracchio - 18:35
And it's also that's that's interesting because it's also the the constant stream of of excitement that we have every day or like stimulation, visual audio audio, you know, other people and I think we've gotten so used to it especially in our work environment where it's like if you're not doing something, you're not working you're not earning a paycheck you're not you know, your existence is not enough. You know you need to be producing some kind of product that's worth something. So, I think the pandemic really like I think Aubrie you said it good and like showing cracks in the system of

Aubrie Williams - 19:19 
Yeah many systems. 

Ralph Andracchio - 19:20  
Exactly, right It's not tenable, like you can't keep doing it. And I that's coming up a lot. I've been watching I see it on the news pop up every now and again of I'm not gonna name the show, but I watch a show in the morning and they're always like, why aren't people going back to work? All these businesses are offering offering money and benefits and people don't want to work and then why don't people want to work anymore? And I'm like, because...

Shannon Devido - 19:48  
It's Bob the Builder isn't it? It's Bob the Builder.

Kristin Wood - 19:56  
He was too embarrassed to say it. Thank you Shannon.

Shannon Devido - 19:58  
It's okay, we're here for you.

Aubrie Williams - 20:01  
The voice gave it away. The voice was very Bob the Builder

Ralph Andracchio - 20:06  
No, but and I want to scream at them because everybody woke up. Like yeah, we don't. There's a there's a whole generation of people. I'm Gen X. And so there's a whole generation two generations behind me that are like, we don't want to do it. The way you all did it before and the pandemic... right and the pandemic brought that home for everybody. Oh, we can insist on jobs that actually work with our life and not the other way around. We don't have to fit our life into a job and great you know, and and it's it's taking there's growing pains because it's taking corporations and businesses time to catch up to that thinking

Kristin Wood - 20:47  
Oh, go ahead Aubrie

Aubrie Williams - 20:49
No, I was gonna make a Bob the Builder joke but then the silence like and I was like it's too late. 

Shannon Devido - 20:59  
Um, yeah, I mean, I think it's, I think it's interesting because I, I'm in a profession that is driven by making your face seen and the only way that you move forward in in this industry is if you're popular. And so it's very hard. And you know, it's all based on - not all based on looks, but like, the way you look and the way you carry yourself and like the things that you wear and how you like the content you're putting out and are you putting out enough content or are you like, and you know, I you know, I have like an arch-nemesis it's not true. I said that is true, but is she doesn't know, but But it's like because I constantly compare myself to that person. Because it's like, well, why they're in the same like, you know, class as me like why are they why are they more successful? Like what are they putting out that I'm not putting out like, how do I catch up and you know, I think it's it's a constant like any then you're constantly waiting for those likes because you're like, Okay, well, if I get enough likes then like maybe a producer will see that I'm like popular and then the when we put me in something because I have enough followers that like will drive you to watch this thing that I'm in and and it's this vicious cycle of like, empty gratification. And I think like that's really hard to grapple with because you know, what am I really doing it for at this point, like I don't even know like i It's very strange. And i i Yeah, I think I think you were right, Kristin in that like, I am one of those people who is going constantly going before this all happened was I never stopped and so for me to stop and now also be terrified of COVID and like, just this like constant fear of like leaving my house. The only thing I do is like look at what other people are doing. And so it's like this like really hard thing to kind of bring yourself back out of because it's like you've dug yourself so deep in this hole of fear. Not only of like leaving your house and like getting sick, but also fear of like, well, can I still do this? Can I still go like be you know, in this industry and like am I am I doing enough and like just so many fears that are like just holding you back and I think it's like just that this huge struggle that I know I'm I'm struggling with very much and I think like going I'm going to San Francisco this week. And like that's like a really big deal for me to decide to do because it's like, the first thing that I was, I was like, Okay, well, you need to go do this for your own mental health. But I'm also terrified because I truly am, like making myself sick because I'm afraid to go and like get sick, which is such a weird cycle to be

Aubrie Williams - 24:08  
It's how the brain works. It's crazy.

Shannon Devido - 24:10  
Sorry that was very long waited. 

Ralph Andracchio - 24:12 
No, that was great. Thank you for sharing that. It made me think of a whole bunch of stuff. The first thing I thought of was Meryl Streep of like, oh the you know I acting is a very what's the right word? Visible thing you know it's like you said you need to be out there you need to put your face out there you need to post you need to be popular and people need to like you and see you but then I I'm always the one to think well what about the other side like what's what's on the flip side of that and then like, the thespian part of it of like I don't care, I just want to act and I'm going to and then I realized well that's not gonna work because you ain't gonna make any money because the system is stacked against that, you know, and I think that makes me think of every other artist I see on Instagram or TikTok or anything who does who doesn't work and believes in their work. And then somebody is like, Oh, I love that. Give it to me and I'll give you exposure. Like, let me here. Here's something you can expose, you know, here's a couple middle fingers for you. You know...

Shannon Devido - 25:24  
I think you also have the TikTok people who are like Have you no, no, I'm not. They have no talent, but there are people. Okay, there was a girl who just got, like a $25 million, like, development deal, because she has like 40 million followers on Tik Tok and she doesn't do anything. She's just pretty and she stands there and like, she wears clothes. And I'm like, what, why? Why? Why is that person getting money? You don't understand.

Kristin Wood - 25:58  
Well you've been approached for that 

Aubrie Williams - 26:02
For TikTok modeling?

Kristin Wood - 26:06
I was trying to do a funny with all these comedians

Ralph Andracchio - 26:10  
Last time I was approached for any kind of work like that is by a guy in a van with no windows.

Aubrie Williams - 26:16  
Oh man.

Shannon Devido - 26:17  
You take that.

Ralph Andracchio - 26:18  
I did take it. It was not a very lucrative endeavor for me.

Aubrie Williams - 26:24  
Di you have to talk to Kristen afterwards.

Ralph Andracchio - 26:29  
Kristin and I are gonna talk we always have a therapy session after these. That's that's the other thing of like, what what's so special about these people that hit it big like, what? What nerve are they hitting? Or what are they tapping into? That's like, making them blow up so much. And I don't know if it's just because I'm older and I don't get it. 

Kristin Wood - 26:55  
I think it's this is a guess I could be so wrong. People, people want to be like them. They want to be them. You know, so I they look at that and that's their that's what they're trying to achieve, which to me is sad if we're just talking about somebody that's really attractive and wears nice clothes and that they have that many followers for purely that doesn't speak well for the for whatever million people that you have, and I'm just like, What, again, I feel old saying this but I'm like that's, that's it? Really, ok.

Aubrie Williams - 27:31  
It's very superficial to because like, we know so many people with talent, like so much talent and it's frustrating. We have this talk all of the time, Ralph, Shan and myself, like how are people we know not like rich and working in the industry. And then there's like a kid on YouTube, who gets a - like Miranda Sings is like I would put on my Netflix and I was like, she has another series like what is happening?

Ralph Andracchio - 27:57  
Who's Miranda Sings? That's how into this I am. 

Aubrie Williams - 28:01  
She was a YouTuber in college that like my friends liked and I was like never super into her she just sings it. She's like very it's a lot. It's a lot for me personally. I was just gonna say there's something for everyone, obviously. And that's why I think all of these platforms exist right now.

Kristin Wood - 28:22  
Is she that girl that looks like some version. I'm gonna age myself. So I'm gonna stop. She wears really sparkly stuff and she's really outgoing.

Ralph Andracchio - 28:32  
That's Jojo Siwa. 

Aubrie Williams - 28:33
Yeah, that's Jojo Siwa. I'll send Ralph a little... 

Shannon DeVido - 28:36
This lady as like she wears like lipstick. Like very big. She looks like Janice from Friends with lipstick.

Aubrie Williams - 28:44  
She does and sings if you can guess by...

Shannon DeVido - 28:48 
But it's like very it's weird singing like it's okay. I guess she should be she's on pitch but...

Kristin Wood - 28:56  
I dunno I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything here with this piece. I feel like you know this sounds - I'm feeling super old. I don't get it and I'm feeling ancient.

Shannon DeVido - 29:09  
I feel so old.

Kristin Wood - 29:10  
I know. I'm an old lady right now and there's not a cat

Aubrie Williams - 29:12
Going back to that. Like I think it like boils down to integrity. I think a lot of people in Philly and a lot of people we know would never do that. Like we push ourselves. Very, very hard. Maybe too hard sometimes maybe to our detriment. But you know, there are people who were doing these like very base things who were making millions of dollars right now and I'm always like, do I do that? Like, I wouldn't be like I have no money.

Ralph Andracchio - 29:43  
When what if they hit on something that we didn't see? Like what if all these people who we think are like getting have millions and millions of followers and are making millions of dollars for just being themselves are like doing this one thing? What if they boiled it down to like, Oh, I'm just gonna do this one simple thing. That seems like people like this. I'll just do more of this and they maybe they just like figured out the matrix.

Shannon DeVido - 30:19  
Yeah, I mean, that is kind of what it is. Like, I think they they absolutely just, I it's a it's a moment in time. You know, I mean, even when you look at television shows that are successful. It's that moment in time like, I mean, like Ted Lasso I love Ted Lasso with all of my heart. I also don't know that five years ago, Ted Lasso would have been as popular as it became. I think we - it came at a time when we really needed it and we needed the heart that it showed and and the chemistry that it showed and the performances that it showed and that's not taking away from anything that those people are doing because they are all incredible, but I also think that it came at the right time. And and that happens a lot. I think with Tim Tok and like all of those things. It's like it just it came at a moment when someone was looking for that exact thing. And I don't know why they were looking for it or what they were looking for. But it that's it just happened and I feel like it's hard to it's hard to put kind of any kind of like thought behind it because you're like it doesn't. It doesn't always make sense. I don't know. I don't know. I think it's hard to boil down for me. Because it's like because then if you try to replicate it, it never works.

Kristin Wood - 31:44  
And they'll have to my guess is if I'm hearing you correctly, they're gonna have to keep evolving. They can do X or if they want to continue to make money and he is popular. They can do whatever they're doing for I have no idea what the period of time is. But eventually if and I agree, I mean, it makes sense what you're saying and I can't say I agree I'm not super knowledgeable about it, but eventually they're going to have to evolve to something else. Because this I think that makes sense to me the stuff on TikTok, if you're just wearing clothes or whatever, that's very kind of basic and assume it's meeting a need for for whatever reason, it's not going to always meet that need. So they're either gonna be done and maybe they'll have plenty of money to be done, but or they're going to evolve to the next thing.

Ralph Andracchio - 32:29  
Well, I agree with you 1,000%. And I'll see your argument and I'll raise you a Kardashian. Because because well think about it, and I think this I think the Kardashians are like the nexus of everything we're talking about because they came at a moment in time where the world was ready for 

Aubrie Williams - 32:49
A sex tape

Ralph Andracchio  - 32:51
Oh, that's right. That's how that started. Well, that's again, that's another podcast everybody.
But that's the same time around when Paris Hilton had her thing too. I think I may be getting my timelines mixed up. But, but that's, you know, that family was smart. They capitalize on that moment, and they took it and the world was ready for reality and reality shows like we're just blowing up and becoming a thing, and so they capitalize on the that nexus of all these moments, but that's all it was. Like, what do the Kardashians actually do? 

Aubrie Williams - 33:36
Well they had they had money before, right? 

Ralph Andracchio - 33:39
Are you telling me not to talk bad about them cuz they'll come for me? 

Shannon DeVido - 33:42
No, no. I'm saying they contribute nothing.

Ralph Andracchio - 33:50
The Kardashians put a hit on me

Shannon DeVido - 33:53
Don't talk about them!

Aubrie Williams -  33:57 
They had money and resources before, right? And that's what I find because my niece and nephews watch a lot of like kids YouTubes and like they're like driving like jet skis on lakes, like the shares. And I'm just like oh, they were Trust Fund babies. They were billionaires before like, they have this money and that's how it's easier for them to break into it. Like it's there is a little bit of that like in the illusion of Tik Tok and YouTube, I think, and it makes other people feel like oh, why can't I do that? You don't have like drones taping your like stunts on a lake. Like...

Shannon DeVido - 34:37  
That's a really good point, too, because it's like, isn't it it's like also aiding to the the separation of like, that people who have and people who have not I think it is absolutely just, I think the pandemic to what you're talking about earlier has exposed that extreme extreme, like gap, between the people who have money and people who don't have money 

Ralph Andracchio - 35:08  
And that's the other thing every every time somebody I hear somebody say, Oh, the the companies aren't going to be able to afford to pay $15 An hour Where's all this money coming from? What are all the health care Hey, how about the CEOs not get that $80 million bonus this year? Distribute that to - because there's one there's one CEO that actually does that he makes like 70 grand a year or something and then he he gives that rest of that to everybody who works with them, and they're all very happy and successful. It's a shoe company or I can picture him he's got long hair, I forget his name. No, maybe it's along those lines. I'll put it in the show notes. Long haired shoe guy. But I mean, it is possible but it's again, we're I think this moment in time, we're straddling these two different epochs, or epochs, or whatever you want it Tupacs of time where there was an old way of doing business and then the pandemic happened and going back to Aubrie's really great comment. It made cracks, very visible and everything and now we're in we're entering into this new time where things are going to be done a whole lot differently and there's a lot of struggle and strain and stress for people because there's this push and pull between an older generation who wants to do it one way and a newer generations who's like no, we don't have to do it that way. Go have a Werther's Original and sit down grandpa

Aubrie Williams - 36:40  
Well also like greed and accountability. I think now that like, Pete, like, that's one guy who does that out of all of the people. Like if I have money i i would hope I would do that. Like I would think I would do that. But like not many people are willing to give up their power or money you know, and like those are the people who have been in power for a very long time. They are they do tend to be one type of person not gonna lie. If you describe them if you tried to point them out in a lineup they would all be the same. But yeah, I think it's like this. I think the pandemic showed that to like, just like the freedoms that people like the the exorbitantly wealthy need, like all of the things that they are not willing to give up you know?

Kristin Wood - 37:30
And also I don't know if this is on the same wavelength, but that companies were just like, Okay, you're coming back into the office like No, some companies I can't speak for all by any means, and I wouldn't weren't really thinking about - we had a question about it earlier on in our first season. Weren't thinking about how that would affect people. If you're going to mandate let's just say two days a week. There's all kinds of things that really weren't thinking about. Not just okay, I got to get dressed now go into an office, but people's anxiety around being in the office people's maybe they weren't vaccinated for whatever reason, or they were they were worried about who wasn't or they were, I don't know all this stuff like it took us so long to transition and adjust to COVID and being stuck at home. This idea that okay, one month from now, we're just gonna go back to sort of a normal and not thinking about how the adjustment back even if it's not full time is a huge adjustment for people. I don't know that all companies where I can't say you know, I'm sure some were, but we're paying attention to that because I know that came up with in my practice, that came up with one of our questions we addressed in a pod - in an episode

Ralph Andracchio - 38:50  
Absolutely. And and the the, the idea of privilege too I mean, we assume oh, if I can get on a plane easily and fly anywhere, like I can go back to the office, why can't everybody else do it? That's it's a very short sighted and cynical and very self centered way to think about the pandemic and the recovery. The pandemic hit everybody very differently. You know, I was very lucky and blessed that I have a partner that I could be holed up with in my house for a year and a half, you know, maybe not because we treat - drove each other crazy, but at least I had somebody there and like, I know you were by your yeah, you're by yourself

Kristin Wood - 39:35  
Horrible. I have winter trauma now.

Ralph Andracchio - 39:37
Yeah. So I we also when we have the discussions about the pandemic, the recovery, you know, what people are doing, I think we have to keep in mind, it's not the same for everybody. And that's one of my that's one of my things. That I want to teach everybody is like decenter yourself from the conversation, you know, if you're going to have a real conversation and learn about stuff from other people really listen to them and hear them because it's not about and speaking as the the only white guy here on the panel you know I'm talking to other - I'm talking to everybody all the other white guys out there like practice decentering yourself in conversations because your your experience of life as a cisgendered male who's just happens to be white is a hell of a lot different than everybody else in the world.

Aubrie Williams - 40:32
Oh Shan you were about to say something were you?

Shannon DeVido - 40:36
Oh I was just gonna say like, also one thing that the pandemic did, in a good way. Not in, nothing was good. I know. I hate using that term. But it also opened up the world and as a disabled person. I feel like we lost sight of the fact that this truly brought access to so many people. And now all of a sudden be like we've been calling for this stuff for years. Like saying like, please have like a zoom thing because your your place is not accessible. Please have like captioning please have reward like work from home because then I can actually have a job that like I don't have to worry about, like getting transportation that's not accessible or all of these things. And now all of a sudden, because the pandemic is over in quotes. We all have we're all like reverting back to the way that it was and it's like, wait a second, like you made the world accessible and now you're taking it away and like it's, I feel like that shock of it all is also a lot to deal with as like because, like, disability is often so shoved to the side and for once it was like we're like, oh, we feel part of this. Like, this is so exciting. And now like everyone's just like Alright, we're good. No, no, no, no. Did you did you fix the building? Did you put a ramp? No, we didn't. Well, I'm still like going back to work. Like I don't know what to do for you.

Ralph Andracchio - 42;15  
That's a great point. And I really appreciate you you saying that because I'm I've always couched my idea of let's keep everything the way it has been for the past year and a half in terms of where we get to work and everything. Because it just fits into people's lives better. You know, just generally, if you have kids, if you don't have kids, if you if it's just the way you work, you should be able to choose how you engage with your place of business. Right. And that's a whole other what you said is a whole other layer of it that I I unfortunately don't often think about but it's a it's an amazing point that it's an accessibility issue to0 you know, people. If you and I can't put it any better than you did you know, you we opened up the world during the pandemic and now everybody wants to close it off again and go back to the way it was and that makes me really sad

Kristin Wood - 43:09  
Yeah, I remember having a conversation with somebody around a company that was saying, you know, something like, you can come you can come in or you don't have to come in if you're worried if you're blah, blah, blah and then it was I dunno if I'm going to say this right. So then if this individual who has a disability doesn't go into the office, it becomes highlighted that the person's not coming into the office because they have a disability. And then I think I'm saying this right and then how that might be perceived. By those. It was a whole thing that this individual like share with me like, wow, yeah, so like everybody else is going in, but let's just say disability or you're immunocompromised or if that's the same, whatever. Sure. Yeah. Then all of a sudden, it's like oh, so and so's got it highlights. And it's not like something that somebody doesn't want to highlight necessarily, but same time don't want to be sort of

Shannon DeVido - 44:14
Exposed. Yeah, I think I know exactly what you're saying. Because I think that like people, people with disabilities often, especially if they're invisible, don't like to share that they have that because our society has set us up to make it prove make it seem as though if you have a disability or you have some sort of difference, you're weaker. And I think and and if they question whether you can work, they question whether you can do the job, and it doesn't matter if you just need like certain things just to be a little bit different. They they don't think that you can do it because society has told them that you can't and so for exactly what that person is saying is like now they have to reveal that they have this issue - not issue, but they have this difference. And and their place of work is going to perceive them differently. And then they're going to be looked at differently and they maybe they won't get as much money. Maybe they won't get raises in the same way. Maybe they won't like get the jobs that that other people are getting even though before they would have gotten those but now they're like oh, well you're weaker. No, that's not the case. Like it just I'm like yeah, I don't know. I could go on I'm sorry. I could go on this for hours. Just like the like the end, people people with disabilities are paid. Like women are paid like 20-30 cents less than men and like people disabilities are paid half of that. So it's like, on an average so it's it's just it's it's such a crazy thing to me that like we were able to kind of bridge that gap a tiny bit. And now all of a sudden we're like, it's it's made it even worse because it's like now you have to expose things that you didn't want to talk about. Because it has nothing to do with whether you can do the job or not.

Ralph Andracchio - 46:04  
How much of this - I'm really enjoying listening to all the talk about it and it's making me think how much of this is the need for the other, that nebulous other that we all need to like we need to be a part of a group and there always needs to be an other that we need to and maybe that's what the pay you know, the living wage thing is about or like benefits or accessibility or because hearing Kristin and Shannon talk The only thing I could think of was like, I'm just picturing this this crabby, old white woman going, Oh, why did they get to do that? Why can't I do that? And that that's the voice I hear in my head and it makes me think, why why do you care? Number one, it's not taking anything away from you that this person has an accessible job or is paid, what they're worth what their skill set and their experience is worth regardless of their sex regardless of their gender, their gender expression, their disability, they should be paid exactly what everybody else is paid for doing that job too. And it makes me think there's always for some a subset of people there always needs to be an other. And I you know, just speaking for me personally, when gay marriage was, you know, a big thing it still is but you know, what are you going to do? What - it's always going to piss everybody off somehow. It's always a thing. Like why Why does Ralph get extra extra special treatment for marrying his partner I'm like b*tch it ain't special treatment. I'm just raising the level up to where you're at? And if that pisses you off so much. That's a you problem 

Aubrie Williams - 47:53  
Reevaluate your life. It's basic - yeah revaluate your life and yourself but people aren't willing to do that work and it is like basic human needs have not been met by the government have not been met for a very long time. Also, like this American Dream thing is like this weird myth that like where I'm from in Delco like people are like, You got to work hard. You got to like work till your fingers bleed and like you got to be like, You got to do this. You got to do that and like, but then on the other hand, like they're working for people who are like doing nothing and making all the money so it's like this big divide where you're like, oh, no, just like these people don't want to let go of all that they have in order to take care of all of the people like around them because like, it should just be the the normal, but it's never been the normal and like people aren't willing to. I mean, the government has the money. I'm pretty sure to change a lot of things that need to be changed, but you know, you can't I guess change it all at once is the thing that keeps us kind of not to where we should be.

Ralph Andracchio - 49:05 
You also bring up a really good point of you know, oh, you're good. You're good and put in a good day's work and work your fingers to the bone and drive a tractor or do there's this idea of what a real

Shannon DeVido - 49:18  
We're back to Bob the Builder

Ralph Andracchio - 49:24
There's an idea of what like a real American is quote, unquote, and every time you're stumping, it's Bob the Builder. It is Bob, the Builder

Shannon DeVido -  49:33 
It's an allegory for America. Let's be honest.

Ralph Andracchio - 49:37
There's this idea that politicians are talk - and the government is talking to real America. I want to talk to real America right now. Who the hell is I'm I'm an American. I'm real. Last time I checked I'm pretty real. Yeah, you're, you know just because I live in a city on the East Coast. You know, oh, you're not real America. I'm last time I checked. I've lived in America my entire life. I'm I'm pretty real, you know,

Aubrie Williams - 50:08  
I mean, and that's someone choosing who matters and who doesn't like if you break it down to the kernel. That's one person saying, I matter you don't and like that's the biggest problem because like if we all just, you know, had empathy and sympathy and like, tried our best, mainly the people in power. You know, I feel like we're trying to get there but like, I don't know that we're close yet.

Ralph Andracchio - 50:36
Well, let me bring this full circle is what we were talking about before because I think it's interesting. We're talking about popularity and social media. And you know, we all all four of us exist on it in some way, shape, or form and it's like for our business and our livelihood in some way. In some way. How, how can people inject what we've been talking about, into that world? I see glimmers of it. You know, everybody I follow on Tik Tok or Instagram are very much people who are trying to change the narrative in terms of like calling people out and like just saying like, is this the discourse like, What are you talking about? Why is this happening and thing, how, how can we do more of that? So it's not just people who look pretty in clothes. That are getting billion dollar deals

Shannon DeVido - 51:32  
I feel bad for this person that I don't know what that

Ralph Andracchio - 51:40  
And also they just made a million dollars so

Shannon DeVido - 51:43  
23 million

Aubrie Williams - 51:47  
Maybe they're a philanthropist who knows.

Shannon DeVido -  51:51  
How do we do? I mean, it just comes to Amplifying underserved voices. Right. I think that that's really what it boils down to is is finding diverse perspectives and following those different perspectives because I think what happens a lot with social media is you get into your own silo. And so you only follow the people that also agree with you. So like, I don't necessarily, I don't promote following like Trump supporters because then you might go freakin crazy and throw your phone out the window. But maybe, like, follow people who are doing things that like you're that you're not doing that but like that, like, you know, from indigenous populations and from, you know, black communities and that have they just bring a different perspective to your like, let's say I like I try to follow actors who are from underserved communities, because I feel like they're still doing art. They're doing the thing I like, how are they doing it differently? And like, how can that kind of inform what I'm doing and like, you know, and just amplifying those voices because everybody's voice deserves to be heard. That's the real American dream, right is like the melting pot that we all thought that we were getting into people's fears, you know, right that but like, I think that that's the way to do it is you're trying to amplify voices that are never really heard.

Aubrie Williams - 53:17  
Yeah, and I think oh, sorry. I think part of that for me too, is like educating yourself on like different perspectives. And also like being very aware, like, if you do have a job during the pandemic, like I was donating to a lot of specific causes, and I was like, being very aware of where I was putting my money, and like when I felt helpless and like, I didn't know if I should be sharing things because I didn't know if I like had ownership or the right to like, I tried to use my money. But then I realized that should also be amplifying, but that's also just me and who I am and I overthink things and I'm like, this isn't my narrative. Oh, like as a woman, I'm always like, should I be doing this? Like,

Shannon DeVido - 53:59  
You do so much though, you you have worked so hard to educate yourself over this pandemic. And I really, I will say that Aubrie is one of those people that if you follow her, she absolutely has learned kind of her own way of doing that. And it really is inspiring to watch because she really does take the time to learn and to grow and to make it make a conscious effort. I think that we all talk about doing it. But Aubrie actually puts money where her mouth is and I it's really really fun - not fun but it's inspiring to watch.

Aubrie Williams - 54:32  
Thank you so much.

Ralph Andracchio - 54:33  
So you both mentioned the word amplify and I want to be specific to help people who may be listening. The one the one guy in New Mexico who listens to us Hey, Frank what what how can people amplify like specifically what can they do if they find somebody an artist, a speaker, a thought leader that they love that may not be as popular as they should be? What specifically can they do to amplify that voice?

Aubrie Williams - 55:05 
I think like going to Twitter or Instagram and sharing a story. A big thing for me is like asking permission, especially if it's like a friend who's sharing something vulnerable, or like someone who is sharing something kind of more vulnerable in a way. I just try and do that just like and usually people are like that's what what it's there for just share. But like Yeah, I think that's that's the main way just like highlighting what you feel strongly about on your own social media. So like, and sharing stories and just putting your own thoughts to it be like, Hey, I'm sharing this because of this reason and not just like, I mean, resharing is great too, and just like retweeting, but like also putting your own perspective on it. So people who might be feeling the same are like, Oh, okay, like I can do this or like, I have this model now or like they did it this way. Maybe I want to do it this way.

Ralph Andracchio - 56:00  
And Shannon, what anything to add to that?

Shannon DeVido - 56:03  
No, I think that's really it. I mean, I you know, I'm not an expert on how to make social media not a terrible place. Because I'd be a billionaire. But I think yeah, I think just sharing, sharing people's art. I mean, I think that like that is a really great step. I'm a big proponent in that what we watch and what we consume, changes the narrative of how we feel about that community. Yeah. I think that like for a long time, you know, characters from underserved communities, we're not shown as dynamic or interesting or multifaceted faceted people. And I think that we've started to kind of allow that to kind of seep into our media and I think sharing that and allowing ourselves to digest different perspectives and different art is really a first step to kind of accepting that that community into society as well.

Aubrie Williams - 57:07  
Yes, for so long in art, like there was just stereotypes of certain communities and I think that's so dangerous. And I think like, when all of the same people are writing and producing, like, that's what happens and like, now is the time to move away from that forever it feels like and representation in the arts is so important. Like, that's how I got all of my role models, like as a kid watching TV and like, you know, even as a young girl, there weren't many lead females in like my age in series and I think like Alex Mack might have been like, or Small Wonder but she was like a robot. I don't know. But like, take what you can get, you know, as a young girl.

Shannon DeVido - 57:52  
I always joke that like I never saw myself on TV until I was on TV.

Aubrie Williams - 57:57  
Yeah. Important for people for like you to be on TV. Like for young kids to have these role models that like are so important to like, just developing yourself. Like your just your personality and like, the amount of confidence you have, I think is attributed to like, oh, like I see them doing that. I can do that. Like it's so important.

Ralph Andracchio - 58:19  
Yeah. Wow, that was a powerful statement. Til I saw myself on TV wow there's a there's not a lot we can do to follow that up. 

Kristin Wood - 58:31 
I never have nothing but I this these ladies have just made some profound points, so much fun and funny.

Ralph Andracchio - 58:37  
So this has been an amazing conversation. I hate to cut it off, but I think we've been going almost an hour.

Shannon DeVido - 58:45  
Oh, sorry, listeners.

Ralph Andracchio - 58:51  
I'll edit this down to five minutes, just pick out the good stuff. So wherever. Time for plugs shameless plugs Where Can everybody see you next? Or any ongoing projects? Aubrie why don't you go first?

Aubrie Williams - 59:07  
Sure. We are I'm not doing I mean I'm I tend to write I'm on Medium @aubrie-williams. Pretty standard spelling. For that one. And then we're King Friday productions we're on Facebook as King Friday productions we are on I should have these memorized by now Shan I'm so sorry

Shannon DeVido - 59:29  
Oh I don't know what they are

Aubrie Williams - 59:32  
On Instagram, where KF prods which sounds a little questionable. But it's all we could get. 

Shannon DeVido - 59:39
It's absolutely accurate though. 

Aubrie Williams - 59:40
Yeah, KF prods we do we push some buttons? Not in like a dirty way though. Um, and then I think we're KF - wait -Cheese Louise we're King Friday prod on Twitter. So I'm going to plug that stuff because I've been you know, there haven't been many performances these days. But I was previously in groups Goat Rodeo, which sometimes we pop up sketch comedy and Mani Pedi sketch. I always want to give them a shout out even though we were all we're all dispersed, you know?

Ralph Andracchio - 01:00:14 
I will put all these links in the show notes. So don't worry people will be able to find them. And Shannon, where can people find you next or currently or in the future? 

Shannon DeVido - 01:00:23  
Um, wait this comes out on Friday?

Ralph Andracchio - 01:00:25 
This comes out this Friday but in perp - in perpetuity, so whatever whatever you got going on

Shannon DeVido - 01:00:31
If you're listening to this in the timeframe of December I'm going to be doing a play in Boston called Teenage Dick it's not a porn. It's based on Richard III. I always have to say that because whenever I say because people are like, I'm sorry. You're in what? 

Aubrie Williams - 01:00:52
That sounds questionable. 

Shannon DeVido - 01:00:53
Yep, it does. Ah, but I want to make a movie called Best Summer Ever, which you can watch on Hulu. And yeah, you and I are writing a movie. So if you're rich, and you want to send us money to do that

Ralph Andracchio - 01:01:09  
Yeah, we have a lot of venture capitalists that what that listen to this. 

Shannon DeVido - 01:01:12 
Frank listen. Here's the thing. If you were to call in from New Mexico, we'll take New Mexico money.

Aubrie Williams - 01:01:22  
Right we'll drop our Venmos in the show notes.

Ralph Andracchio - 01:01:27  
All the ways to send us money are in the show notes. I actually quick plug for myself. I am going to be on the Fair Deal podcast with our friend Joe Wendrychowicz and my friend, Steve Kleinedler and Sam Abrams. It's going to be - we"ll be taping tomorrow, but it may be a few weeks before it comes out. But it will also be in the show notes. Fair Deal podcast. It's a really funny improvised podcast with our friend Joe W. So listen to that. And what do you got going on? 

Kristin Wood - 01:02:01
I'm not gonna be on any podcasts or movies but 

Aubrie Williams - 01:02:07
You have a podcast though. That's that's more than we have.

Shannon DeVido - 01:02:10
That is true. We tried. We bought microphones. 

Aubrie Williams - 01:02:17  
I have mine right here. It's beautiful.

Ralph Andracchio - 01:02:22  
That's it? I think this was I think this was a rousing success. What do you guys think?

Shannon DeVido - 01:02:27  
It was very fun. Thank you so much for listening to me babble on.

Kristin Wood - 01:02:32 
Maybe we're gonna go on or we're gonna get on to the Emmys. 

Ralph Andracchio - 01:02:34
What did I say it was a Poddie. Podcast Award. This was amazing. Thank you both. I am going to do the do the edit for the podcast but we can stay on and talk for people on YouTube. So thank you, everybody. For listening to the podcast. We'll see you next time.

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